Mizzou to leave the Big 12 for the Big Ten

[Goldbrick]

Go ahead and run bitches.

[Smoothie King II]

Bad move on their part

sports are the reason for the conference, not academics

[austeer]

Losing all those missouri tv sets will hurt.

[mjrod]

Does Mizzourah even have HD in their state?

[mrcleanhorn]

Link? 

[Super PurpleCat]

There is no link.

[Goldbrick]

http://www.kmbc.com/sports/21994449/detail.html

[mrcleanhorn]

shaking up the bigxii north wouldn't be so bad.

[NC]

wyoming would be a good replacement for missou.

decent people and a border state, in fact in many ways an upgrade.

[Smoothie King II]

NC=Atilla?

[Mizzou Mafia]

I will just go ahead and say ...

WTF?

I am totally against this possible move.

But I know a lot of people are pissed off that Mizzou landed in the Texas bowl in an eight-win season. And got seemingly shafted in the bowl draws for three consecutive years.

[Smoothie King II]

Don Walsworth, a major donor to Missouri's sports programs who was a member of the board that governs the university until earlier this year, said that, aside from a Big Ten television contract that allows more revenue sharing than the Big 12 deal, it makes little sense for Missouri to jump conferences.

The school's position in the geographic middle of the conference allows easy, relatively inexpensive travel, Walsworth said. Leaving behind rivals such as Kansas and big-time opponents like Texas would upset fans.

"I think that they would be a little bit miffed if we had to start those traditions over again," Walsworth said. "I like to play Oklahoma, I like to play Texas."

The closest thing Missouri has to a Big Ten rival is Illinois, which the Tigers play every year in football and basketball.

But the schools have said their annual football game in St. Louis will end after 2010, and many fans from both schools -- Walsworth among them -- say the rivalry doesn't amount to much

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[w.j. sidis]

no chance in hell this happens.  just more offseason horseshit to stir the nest.  last week it was texas, this week it's mizzou.  the only natural fit addition to the big 10 if they really want a 12th team is notre dame.  it will never happen but it should.  if the big 12 lost a north team for any reason, i think they should go get utah. 

[plaincat]

I was thinking Colorado State.  Would Wyoming be a better fit than CSU?

Can't mess with the South and break up OU/OSU or the Texas schools so TCU seems like a bad fit.  If we could steal Arkansas and LSU it might be worth going to 14 teams and move OU/OSU to the North. 

[w.j. sidis]

if a north team left and they could pull it off, in my opinion, they should kick isu to the curb and get tcu and arkansas (lsu is just a pipe dream, it ain't happening).  move ou/osu to the north and the big 12 change to a more sec-like schedule where you play one team from the other division every year to keep the texas-ou game in place.

arkansas is not leaving the sec though so forget it.  espn just paid them all a zillion dollars. 

for academic purposes though, csu brings very little to the table imo.  utah has been far superior, and brings a piece of salt lake city with them in terms of tv sets.  wyoming is total garbage from a football sense.  least populated state in the union, no cities worth a shit, no interest in football.  shit stadium, shit team. 

[NC]

I was thinking Colorado State.  Would Wyoming be a better fit than CSU?

Can't mess with the South and break up OU/OSU or the Texas schools so TCU seems like a bad fit.  If we could steal Arkansas and LSU it might be worth going to 14 teams and move OU/OSU to the North.  

are you serious? doesn't one team from colorado bring enough shame to the big 12??? they would be like another kstate or okie light....no thanks...

and Lord knows we have enough gomer teams from the south allready.anymore texas teams and the big 12 would look like the cesspool known as the now defunct swc. I would think wyoming would be a nice trip for the folks in western Nebraska..and like I say, they are decent folks out there, they don't throw batteries at people like cu fan, or whisky bottles like missou fan...

I know Iowa would be too scared to play us every year, but wyoming might accept the challenge.sure they would get slaughtered, but the have that real cowboy spirit,not like the coke-a-cola cowboys in texas.

personally Im tired of watching NU kick the hell outta the tigers, and I think it's just cruel to keep them around as our source of ammusement. and let me state again, the big 12 does not, I repeat, does not , need another gomer team from the south, remember, to nebraskans most of the big 12 are like mexicans.at least wyoming is up here in the HEARTLAND of this great Nation called America.and they share a border with the REAL AMERICAS TEAM.that alone should give them a chance to play greatness...

Bob Devany came from wyoming to coach NU. that fact alone gives them credibilty enough to be in the big 12.

if texas or missou wants to puss out, I don't blame them, cause thats what they are, pussies, in every sence of the word!

what really suprises me is why NU doesn't become an independant like noter dame. we could rid ourselfs of the 11 leeches, and make 5 times the money!

[plaincat]

Utah is a long way away and they won't ever leave BYU.  BYU might dump them, but not the other way around.

[plaincat]

I was thinking Colorado State.  Would Wyoming be a better fit than CSU?

Can't mess with the South and break up OU/OSU or the Texas schools so TCU seems like a bad fit.  If we could steal Arkansas and LSU it might be worth going to 14 teams and move OU/OSU to the North. 

are you serious? doesn't one team from colorado bring enough shame to the big 12??? they would be like another kstate or okie light....no thanks...

and Lord knows we have enough gomer teams from the south allready.anymore texas teams and the big 12 would look like the cesspool known as the now defunct swc. I would think wyoming would be a nice trip for the folks in western Nebraska..and like I say, they are decent folks out there, they don't throw batteries at people like cu fan, or whisky bottles like missou fan...

I know Iowa would be too scared to play us every year, but wyoming might accept the challenge.sure they would get slaughtered, but the have that real cowboy spirit,not like the coke-a-cola cowboys in texas.

personally Im tired of watching NU kick the hell outta the tigers, and I think it's just cruel to keep them around as our source of ammusement. and let me state again, the big 12 does not, I repeat, does not , need another gomer team from the south, remember, to nebraskans most of the big 12 are like mexicans.at least wyoming is up here in the HEARTLAND of this great Nation called America.and they share a border with the REAL AMERICAS TEAM.that alone should give them a chance to play greatness...

What about Air Force if you're all about wanting real Americans?

[NC]

I was thinking Colorado State.  Would Wyoming be a better fit than CSU?

Can't mess with the South and break up OU/OSU or the Texas schools so TCU seems like a bad fit.  If we could steal Arkansas and LSU it might be worth going to 14 teams and move OU/OSU to the North. 

are you serious? doesn't one team from colorado bring enough shame to the big 12??? they would be like another kstate or okie light....no thanks...

and Lord knows we have enough gomer teams from the south allready.anymore texas teams and the big 12 would look like the cesspool known as the now defunct swc. I would think wyoming would be a nice trip for the folks in western Nebraska..and like I say, they are decent folks out there, they don't throw batteries at people like cu fan, or whisky bottles like missou fan...

I know Iowa would be too scared to play us every year, but wyoming might accept the challenge.sure they would get slaughtered, but the have that real cowboy spirit,not like the coke-a-cola cowboys in texas.

personally Im tired of watching NU kick the hell outta the tigers, and I think it's just cruel to keep them around as our source of ammusement. and let me state again, the big 12 does not, I repeat, does not , need another gomer team from the south, remember, to nebraskans most of the big 12 are like mexicans.at least wyoming is up here in the HEARTLAND of this great Nation called America.and they share a border with the REAL AMERICAS TEAM.that alone should give them a chance to play greatness...

What about Air Force if you're all about wanting real Americans?

  if America's team was independant we could shedual airforce for a  yearly beating. and at least we would know the chances of the refs NOT being corrupted, would increase dramaticly. good point....

[Uncle Charlie]

Go East West and bring in TCU.

East                West
Iowa St            OSU
aTm                 Texas
TCU                 OU
Nubb                Kansas
KSU                 TTech
Baylor              Colorado

Yeah it would suck to break up aTm/Texas, Nubb/Colorado, KU/KSU but they could be scheduled as non-con games every year if the schools chose to keep the rivalry game going.

[NC]

Go East West and bring in TCU.

East                West
Iowa St            OSU
aTm                 Texas
TCU                 OU
Nubb                Kansas
KSU                 TTech
Baylor              Colorado

Yeah it would suck to break up aTm/Texas, Nubb/Colorado, KU/KSU but they could be scheduled as non-con games every year if the schools chose to keep the rivalry game going.

thats a preatty dumb idea.

[Goldbrick]

no chance in hell this happens.  just more offseason horseshit to stir the nest. 

The only thing that intrigued me was discussion about this expansion on Pardon the Interruption in which they discussed it... while Missouri football highlights were playing the entire time.

And of course I had to visit Tigerboard. Mafia sounds like one of the few that doesn't want to 'leave this conference behind'.

Its Texas they hate. Or rather, your money. Somehow them leaving is supposed to destroy the Big 12 in the process as well.

And I've never heard any rumors about Texas going anywhere ever.

[Mizzou Mafia]

This shocked me so much, that I made a phone call. Let me tell you what I found out. I haven't been exactly getting the inside scoop like when I was in school and was a working journalist.

My major professor at Missouri is now emeritus, but still teaches a class, and sits on both the faculty council and the school oversight board for athletics. He's as plugged into this as anybody there.

He says that the momentum at the university is that if the Big Ten makes an offer, we're gone.

The faculty would vote to go, but I've known that for years. The reason is that Missouri is unlike most schools in the Big 12, and really Texas only compares.

I'm not dissing the academics at other Big 12 universities. I'll explain what I mean. Missouri is more like Big Ten universities, which fill as central role in the state. In Kansas, Oklahoma, you have a school that specializes in hard sciences (KSU, OSU) and humanities (KU, OU). Missouri is BOTH that in the state, and has satellite campus around the state. Really, I think only Texas is comparable, but A&M has a fine ag school. I don't know much about Texas' system, but that's the only school that drops from faculty lips in Columbia.

The linchpin is athletics, of course. There's apparently real anger in the athletic department that 8-4 MU is going to the Texas Bowl, while a 6-6 team, which we beat, is going to the more desirable bowl location in Arizona. Missouri feels that money talks in the Big 12, but it doesn't so much in the Big Ten so a certain degree. For example, it's been long-standing Big Ten policy that when two teams tie for the league championship in football, the team that hasn't been there the longest goes to the Rose Bowl. That's just one example I was given.

The source of this anger, apparently, is that a MU football team two years ago, which won 12 games ended up in the Cotton Bowl, while a team we beat a game earlier ended up in the BCS. If the Big 12 can't be seen to protect its champions, why is it good for us? It would be ironic that a MU VICTORY over KU ends up us pulling up stakes and going to the Big Ten.

Under the just negotiated bowl system for the Big 12, Missouri would probably have ended up in New York this December. NEW YORK. DECEMBER.

Gary Pinkel is from Ohio. What do you think he's thinking? He's not going to say no given a voice.

MU, in-state, is dominated by students from the St. Louis side and the Kansas City side. There are more alumns in St. Louis, and it's an eastern city, sports wise, with the Cards. I underestimated the switch, for many fans, because I'm from the west. Rooting against the Cubs and rooting against Michigan, Ohio State, and Illinois would be no different for them. Me? Yes, the idea is shocking. But then again, I'm from the western mindset, but I'm starting to understand the logic.

If the Big 12 is smart, they could nip this in the bud by immediately making a few modifications with bowl contracts, and tiebreakers.

I'm starting to think this has legs. If I'm a Big 12 North AD, I would be in full panic mode. If we go, CU would probably think about the Pac 10. And then, were are you? Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State ... whatever happens, you would be seriously skull-fucked. And bringing in SWC tards isn't going to make the Big 12 better. Just more inbred. Whatever happens, North schools lose. Dr. Tom at NU might have been prescient all along.

You're going to miss us when we're gone, bitches.

[w.j. sidis]

has anyone actually ever met, nc?  he is just too fucking good to be real.

chuck, your divisions are way too heavily weighted towards the west.  corn would win that east division every year without even stepping on the field.

[Smoothie King II]

I would think wyoming would be a nice trip for the folks in western Nebraska

what folks?


Missou fans might want to think about where are they going to get the recruits to win at football, The "inbred" texans are the only reason your team has been competitive these last few years and you bolt to the Big 10, they are gone. Ohio and Michagan are losing jobs and population, pennsylvania has natural gas deposit so they might do well in the coming decade.


A&M is a better school then MU academically and we have more money.


granted money is what makes this whole thing work.

A&M and UT will be fine. The rest of you shit schools should be scared.

[Goldbrick]

The grass is always greener.

[w.j. sidis]

from an athletics quality standpoint, losing missouri is of little concern in my opinion.  missouri's athletic department is absolutely pathetic and has mustered one men's big 12 championship (a tournament championship in hoops) and one national championship in baseball in 1954.  that is atrocious.  switching them for tcu or someone on that front is probably a net gain.

from an academic standpoint...eh.  the big 12 is a pretty pathetic academic conference and missouri is somewhat in the middle of the pack by most metrics and rankings.  i think last year's usnwr college rankings had them at like 100 or so which is bleh...by reputation, i think most people think of them as being with cu behind texas and tamu.  it certainly isn't going to fit in with the illinois, northwestern, purdue, and michigan's of the big 10...but more with the ohio state, michigan state, and indiana's.  however, by association, it's in missouri's interest to try and be part of the big 10 vs. the big 12 where you have the tech's and oklahoma state's of the world.

the real question is viewers.  how many missouri televisions does the university of missouri actually bring in.  st. louis and kansas city are two huge markets but are they carrying either of those.  i honestly don't know.  

all that said, i just do not see an original big 8 team jumping ship.

goldy, it's all nonsense but...

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2007-07-31/will-big-ten-grow-dozen
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/309140-the-perfect-darkhorse-candidate-for-big-ten-expansion-texas

 

[w.j. sidis]

smoothie actually raises a solid point...if i was gary pinkel, i would be punching someone at the thought of leaving the big 12 from a football success standpoint.

1) the little success they have had in football has been a direct result of a little bit of good recruiting in the state of texas, where virtually every impact player has been from.  say goodbye to that.
2) the big 12 north is there for the taking.  mizzou is never going to beat ohio state, michigan, or penn state with any consistency.

he also makes a good point that the marcellus shale may have an effect on big 10 and big east football over the next two decades.

[w.j. sidis]

big 12 championships by school as of today:

North Division

    * Nebraska - 66
    * Colorado - 27
    * Kansas - 20
    * Iowa State - 11
    * Kansas State - 7
    * Missouri - 6

South Division

    * Texas - 102
    * Texas A&M - 38
    * Baylor - 34
    * Oklahoma - 34
    * Oklahoma State - 33
    * Texas Tech - 11

[NC]

The Nebraska Cornhuskers lead the nation in the number of academic All-Americans. Nebraska also leads the nation in Academic All-Americans in football. At the end of fall 2008 sports season, there were a total of 260 academic All-Americans in all sports, all teams.


Top ten programs for academic All-Americans 2008
1   Nebraska   260
2   Notre Dame   204
3   MIT   145
4   Penn State   144
5   Augustana   126
6   Stanford   126

ect.ect.ect.

"players come to NU to get their degree" keith jackson

[Smoothie King II]

smoothie actually raises a solid point...if i was gary pinkel, i would be punching someone at the thought of leaving the big 12 from a football success standpoint.

1) the little success they have had in football has been a direct result of a little bit of good recruiting in the state of texas, where virtually every impact player has been from.  say goodbye to that.
2) the big 12 north is there for the taking.  mizzou is never going to beat ohio state, michigan, or penn state with any consistency.

he also makes a good point that the marcellus shale may have an effect on big 10 and big east football over the next two decades.

wow I'm blushing  

[Major Assholewhite]

misery will win the north next year imo.

[Smoothie King II]

The Nebraska Cornhuskers lead the nation in the number of academic All-Americans. Nebraska also leads the nation in Academic All-Americans in football. At the end of fall 2008 sports season, there were a total of 260 academic All-Americans in all sports, all teams.


Top ten programs for academic All-Americans 2008
1   Nebraska   260
2   Notre Dame   204
3   MIT   145
4   Penn State   144
5   Augustana   126
6      Stanford   126

ect.ect.ect.

"players come to NU to get their degree" keith jackson

wow just wow, all the people in western nebraska stand up and cheer

[w.j. sidis]

The Nebraska Cornhuskers lead the nation in the number of academic All-Americans. Nebraska also leads the nation in Academic All-Americans in football. At the end of fall 2008 sports season, there were a total of 260 academic All-Americans in all sports, all teams.


Top ten programs for academic All-Americans 2008
1   Nebraska   260
2   Notre Dame   204
3   MIT   145
4   Penn State   144
5   Augustana   126
6   Stanford   126

ect.ect.ect.

"players come to NU to get their degree" keith jackson

dude, seriously...

[Attila the Horn]

If we take Utah we have to take BYU.  They're a package deal those two.  It would be a good idea to take them though.

[w.j. sidis]

i would happily trade those two for iowa state and missouri.

[Smoothie King II]

tu would be stupid as well to join the big 10 for the same reasons

Michigan, ohio, indiana and iowa possibly illinois will all lose more population over the coming decade.


who's gaining?



Texas

[Smoothie King II]

i would happily trade those two for iowa state and missouri.

sidis makes a valid point

[Smoothie King II]

if academics had anything to do with anything sports related we would have been better in the SWC.


Pittsburgh will join the Big 10

and good for them

[mjrod]

The Nebraska Cornhuskers lead the nation in the number of academic All-Americans. Nebraska also leads the nation in Academic All-Americans in football. At the end of fall 2008 sports season, there were a total of 260 academic All-Americans in all sports, all teams.


Top ten programs for academic All-Americans 2008
1   Nebraska   260
2   Notre Dame   204
3   MIT   145
4   Penn State   144
5   Augustana   126
6   Stanford   126

ect.ect.ect.

"players come to NU to get their degree" keith jackson

It's apparent you weren't one of them.   Next time let one of them post.  They're probably laughing are your stupid post.

 

[Mizzou Mafia]

smoothie actually raises a solid point...if i was gary pinkel, i would be punching someone at the thought of leaving the big 12 from a football success standpoint.

MU has 30 players from Texas out of about 99. That would be the biggest stumbling block. MU can recruit those players because they can say they're going home a few times during their career. But I would not overlook the intensity of anger in the athletic department at present. I didn't realized how pissed off they are, and this has been building, apparently.

But if you are a top-tier winner in the conference and don't have shit to show for it (the Cotton Bowl is a nice little bowl, but an 11-win team shouldn't be playing there), what does it matter? 8 wins and Houston, the last bowl to pick? Nigga, please.

[Mizzou Mafia]

A&M is a better school then MU academically and we have more money.

A&M is a fine school, and since they don't apparently teach reading comprehension, I said that the missions of the university are different. We're more like Texas and Texas A&M put together. I didn't diss the quality of education at ANY Big 12 school. Every university has good and bad programs.

A&M and UT will be fine. The rest of you shit schools should be scared.

Big talk, but Texas has a standing offer from the Pac 10 to go there anytime they want. You? You'll could be left holding your junk.

[Smoothie King II]

you must have missed the argument(several boards ago) when I proved that A&M and the SEC were in serious negotiations at the time of the formation of the Big 12.


A&M and tu really should be a package deal, together they lock up the TV market for Texas.

[w.j. sidis]

i would happily trade those two for iowa state and missouri.

sidis makes a valid point

excellent post, smoothie!

[Smoothie King II]

A&M & tu to the SEC.


I think it could work

[NC]

if ut and atm want to give each other reacharounds.

don't let the door hit ya.


"It's apparent you weren't one of them.   Next time let one of them post.  They're probably laughing are your stupid post."
 

[mjrod]

Nebraska fans need UT to move on since they can't seem to beat them.

[NC]

Nebraska fans need UT to move on since they can't seem to beat them.

the tide is turning 

[mjrod]

Nebraska fans need UT to move on since they can't seem to beat them.

the tide is turning 

So is your mom now the she likes it up the ass.

[NC]

Nebraska fans need UT to move on since they can't seem to beat them.

the tide is turning 

So is your mom now the she likes it up the ass.

you came outta your mom's ass.